Comments on: What is Xenki? http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/ ZOMGWTFHAI Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:08:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Paul Fishwick http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-2617 Paul Fishwick Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:44:48 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-2617 Looks like a neat project. Checked out via the SVN at GForge (r96). Build failed with 2 errors: DefaultGUI\UCMenu.xaml cannot be found The project file contains a property value that is not valid (probably related to the first problem?) Looks like a neat project. Checked out via the
SVN at GForge (r96). Build failed with 2 errors:

DefaultGUI\UCMenu.xaml cannot be found
The project file contains a property value that is not valid (probably related to the first problem?)

]]> By: James Stallings http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-2610 James Stallings Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:14:58 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-2610 In regards to the balance between windows devs and linux devs, I'd have to say that many of us have had the choice to develop under windows forced upon us by the primordial choice of c#/.net as the implementation environment, back in the first days of the project. It hurts us. How? Firstly, it forces linux devs to use mono, which from a performance standpoint is demonstrably inferior to .net. It also limits participation from the linux community as many simply wont participate due to the windows centricity of opensim developement, which is yet another reason that the dev membership skews heavily towards windows devs. Secondly, it hurts us because for every slick thing we get with .net, we get a similar amount of pain - .net's remoting capabilites may be usefull to us, for instance, but they are limited and we are powerless to extend them in more usefull directions. Additionally, the gradual shift towards more and more windows-centric technology progressively moves the platform in an exclusively windows direction. Already I have people considering Xenki as a potential solution to the viewer-in-a-browser problem, and it will not bother them whatsoever that it is windows only. Never mind that I wont be able to use it, as I wont make a personal shift to windows on my desktop - having chosen over twenty years ago not to do so. All in all, the Xenki tech may be impressive - but as a windows-only solution in a project that at least pays lip-service to being cross-platform, I think any choice for new technology that excludes other platforms is a fundamentally bad move - not unlike the choice of c#/.net in the project's early days. Please, Adam, you are a sharp guy - find an in-browser solution that does not exclude me and all the other unix devs out there by embedding ActiveX controls in the browser. Cheers! James In regards to the balance between windows devs and linux devs, I’d have to say that many of us have had the choice to develop under windows forced upon us by the primordial choice of c#/.net as the implementation environment, back in the first days of the project.

It hurts us.

How? Firstly, it forces linux devs to use mono, which from a performance standpoint is demonstrably inferior to .net. It also limits participation from the linux community as many simply wont participate due to the windows centricity of opensim developement, which is yet another reason that the dev membership skews heavily towards windows devs.

Secondly, it hurts us because for every slick thing we get with .net, we get a similar amount of pain - .net’s remoting capabilites may be usefull to us, for instance, but they are limited and we are powerless to extend them in more usefull directions.

Additionally, the gradual shift towards more and more windows-centric technology progressively moves the platform in an exclusively windows direction. Already I have people considering Xenki as a potential solution to the viewer-in-a-browser problem, and it will not bother them whatsoever that it is windows only.

Never mind that I wont be able to use it, as I wont make a personal shift to windows on my desktop - having chosen over twenty years ago not to do so.

All in all, the Xenki tech may be impressive - but as a windows-only solution in a project that at least pays lip-service to being cross-platform, I think any choice for new technology that excludes other platforms is a fundamentally bad move - not unlike the choice of c#/.net in the project’s early days.

Please, Adam, you are a sharp guy - find an in-browser solution that does not exclude me and all the other unix devs out there by embedding ActiveX controls in the browser.

Cheers!
James

]]> By: Kris http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-938 Kris Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:49:38 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-938 Can you provide information, or a readme file with the released version of Xenki, or on the OpenSim wiki, with steps of how to run this gem? I'm sure some non-coders out there, like myself, would like to test is as it moves a long.. and it would go along way if I could actually see the progress by connecting to my own grid and seeing realtime results. Can you provide information, or a readme file with the released version of Xenki, or on the OpenSim wiki, with steps of how to run this gem?

I’m sure some non-coders out there, like myself, would like to test is as it moves a long.. and it would go along way if I could actually see the progress by connecting to my own grid and seeing realtime results.

]]> By: Mo Hax http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-411 Mo Hax Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:11:00 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-411 "Yep - actualy the name was suggested by an employee at DeepThink, the fabulous Cichli Azure. Cichli was suprised to hear that only a single person has gotten the reference so far." That's because of the X I think, and maybe that more people talk about Snowcrash than have actually read it. I totally missed it myself. Now if you had named it Enzo, Juanita, Namshub, or 'Rat Thing' I might have got it. “Yep - actualy the name was suggested by an employee at DeepThink, the fabulous Cichli Azure. Cichli was suprised to hear that only a single person has gotten the reference so far.”

That’s because of the X I think, and maybe that more people talk about Snowcrash than have actually read it. I totally missed it myself. Now if you had named it Enzo, Juanita, Namshub, or ‘Rat Thing’ I might have got it.

]]> By: UI Design Contest’s winner announcement at Mentanomics (tonight!) | VintFalken.com http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-138 UI Design Contest’s winner announcement at Mentanomics (tonight!) | VintFalken.com Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:45:28 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-138 [...] discuss his exploration of the viewer possibilities associated with OpenSim, including XBAP (and Xenki), one possible method for creating a viewer that meshes seamlessly with your browser. After this [...] [...] discuss his exploration of the viewer possibilities associated with OpenSim, including XBAP (and Xenki), one possible method for creating a viewer that meshes seamlessly with your browser. After this [...]

]]> By: Anthony Fontana » SL in a Browser http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-130 Anthony Fontana » SL in a Browser Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:57:48 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-130 [...] Running on Xenki [...] [...] Running on Xenki [...]

]]> By: Adam Frisby http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Adam Frisby Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:42:51 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-105 I'd say given the makeup of the OpenSim dev team - I'd actually disagree. Approx 60-70% are Windows users if I was to take a guesstimate. Check the statistics from the OSGrid viewer here: http://opensim-viewer.sf.net/ - while the sample is pretty small (only 300 users), I suspect the results are fairly representative: Total Users: 295 Last 24 Hours: 77 Last 30 Days: 295 Total Windows: 262 Total Linux: 38 I’d say given the makeup of the OpenSim dev team - I’d actually disagree. Approx 60-70% are Windows users if I was to take a guesstimate.

Check the statistics from the OSGrid viewer here: http://opensim-viewer.sf.net/ - while the sample is pretty small (only 300 users), I suspect the results are fairly representative:

Total Users: 295
Last 24 Hours: 77
Last 30 Days: 295
Total Windows: 262
Total Linux: 38

]]> By: Rob Myers http://www.adamfrisby.com/blog/2008/08/what-is-xenki/comment-page-1/#comment-96 Rob Myers Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:35:06 +0000 http://gwala.net/blog/?p=40#comment-96 This is an amazing technical achievement but it does reproduce a strategic mistake from the VRML days. You want the early adopters, designers and hackers involved in your virtual world platform in order for it to be a success. And those guys aren't on Windows. This is an amazing technical achievement but it does reproduce a strategic mistake from the VRML days. You want the early adopters, designers and hackers involved in your virtual world platform in order for it to be a success. And those guys aren’t on Windows.

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